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Kiek aštrus viešumo ginklas?

Nesu tiek naivus, kad manyčiau, jog koks nors dalykas, pavyzdžiui, viešumas, mus išgelbės nuo visų bėdų. Tačiau tikiu, kad šis ginklas yra svarbus norint, kad valdžia bent dirbtų žmogui, jei jau susirenka iš jo mokesčius.

Jau įgyvendinau, arba ruošiuosi įgyvendinti įvairių viešumo iniciatyvų. Ar tai tikrai tai, ko reikia, ar tai padės, ar ko nepražiūrėjau? Taigi, pasigiriu ir atiduodu skaitytojų teismui.

  • Viešųjų pirkimų (sudarytų sandorių ir planuojamų pirkimų) viešumas. Pradėta šį pavasarį. Mano supratimu veikia - užtenka pažiūrėti, kiek peno žurnalistams palyginti kas, ką ir už kiek pirko. Dar labiau, tikiuosi, suveiks kai nepagrįstai ignoruojami tiekėjai pradės nurodyti vadovams pirkimų ydas.
  • Teisės aktų projektų viešumas. Iki šių metų projektai buvo skelbtini pasirinktinai (pagal raidę skelbiami svarbiausi, pagal praktiką - mažiausiai svarbūs). Tik tapęs ministru pradėjau skelbti visus be išimties teisės aktų projektus. Pritaikęs sau galėjau įtikinti visus, kad tai - nebaisu (jei darai tai, ką deklaruoji). Taigi, nuo birželio 15 dienos visa vykdomojoje valdžioje rengiamų teisės aktų medžiaga vieša nuo išsiuntimo derinti kitoms institucijoms dienos. Bijau tik, kad ne daug kas visuomenėje apie tai žino ir tuo naudojasi…
  • Teisės pažeidimų valdžios institucijose viešumas. Pateikiau Vyriausybei (tikiuosi bus pritarta dar rugpjūtį) įstatymų pataisas, pagal kurias jei Teismas, Valstybės kontrolė, Seimo kontrolierius ar panaši institucija nustato pažeidimą, tai turi būti paskelbta institucijos interneto puslapyje. Taip pat ir veiksmai, kurių imtasi.
  • Valstybės tarnautojų pareigybių aprašymų viešumas. Apsižiūrėjau - nėra praktikos skelbti, kokios konkrečiai yra konkretaus valstybės tarnautojo funkcijos (todėl negalima patikrinti ar jis jų nesikrato). Neskelbiama ir kokie reikalavimai užimti atitinkamą pareigybę (todėl negalima patikrinti, ar asmuo atitinka šiuos reikalavimus).

Jeigu viešumas nebūtų svarbu, kažin ar būtų taip įsišaknijęs noras jo vengti. Kad ir šios mano paminėtos iniciatyvos. Idėja tai daryti kiekvienu atveju kilusi tikrai ne man pirmąjam…

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komentarai (249) | “Kiek aštrus viešumo ginklas?”

  1.   Mindaugas Ž rašo:

    O kaip su atlyginimų viešumu? Šita gera tradicija jau buvo kai kur inicijuota (pvz Vilniaus ir kitose savivaldybėse). Ar nemanote, kad būtų naudinga paskelbti teismų ir prokuratūros sistemų darbuotojų algas? O gal jos visgi kažkur skelbiamos, tik tai nelabai akcentuojama ar aiškiai išreiškiama?

  2.   anarchistas rašo:

    Kiekviena iš šių viešumo iniciatyvų yra absoliučiai sveikintina.

    Bet jeigu jau daroma tai, kas deklaruojama, kodėl gi neišsikelti dar didesnio tikslo - visiško elektroninio (mokesčių mokėtojų pinigais išlaikomų institucijų) viešumo?

    Tiesiog panaikinimo tokio dalyko, kaip “valdiški” intranetai?

    (Ministro blog’ą gali skaityti ir visai plati auditorija. Dėl visa ko paaiškinsiu mažiau suprantantiems: viešumas yra dviejų rūšių).

    - Pirma rūšis - ką kokia nors institucija yra įpareigota skelbti. Tas skelbimas reikalauja darbo pastangų, pavyzdžiui kartas nuo karto prireikia nuskanuoti kokį dokumentą - kad ir tą pačią pirkimo sutartį.

    - Antra rūšis - informacija, darbo proceso metu savaime atsirandanti elektroninėse laikmenose. Valdininkai dirba, kuria dokumentus, rašo laiškus, duomenys kaupiasi duombazėse. Nėra jokių priežasčių, kodėl ta informacija (išskyrus asmens apsaugos įstatymų ginamus duomenis) neturėtų būti prieinama visuomenei. Pabrėžiu - ne skelbiama (kas žinoma kainuotų), o tik perskaitoma (read-only prieiga).

    Ar nebūtų šaunu apsaugoti tautą nuo valdiškos informacijos apsaugos/savisaugos?

    Gal reikalingas atskiras įstatymas?

  3.   Dainius Radzevičius rašo:

    Gerbiamas ministre, viešunmas didelis ginklas. O kaip bus su Seimo kuriama naujos “mados” teisėkūra, kai įstatymai per naktį ar per porą dienų priimami? kaip ten su baziniu ar kitokiu, gal nėt išplestiniu poveikiu? ministeijso siunčia, derina, kalbaisi, diskutuoja. Viskas gerai ir džiugu. o seime braukšt per keltą dienų nutaiso ir tada jau džiaukis. Ir net rimtų diskuijų nebūna. ir skaičiavimų. Ar pavyks tai pakeisti?

  4.   Ilona Lūžienė rašo:

    Gerbiamas pone Remigijau,

    Išties teisingos Jūsų idėjos ir veiksmai dėl valstybės institucijų veiklos rezultatų viešinimo. Viešinti dar yra labai daug ką.

    Kalbant apie teisės aktų projektų viešinimą, manau, kad neužtenka vien paskelbti projektą. Be išsamesnės informacijos apie būsimo teisės akto reikalingumą, jo galimą poveikį suinteresuotoms visuomenės grupėms, šalies ekonomikai ar kuriai nors konkrečiai sričiai, toks paskelbimas labiau panašus į viešųjų ryšių aktą. Norėtųsi, kad prie kiekvieno projekto būtų jį palydinti poveikio studija ar analizė. Tokiu būdu, gyventojai būtų suteikta kokybiškesnė galimybė susipažinti su būsima teisės akto įtaka.

    Pagarbiai,
    Ilona Lūžienė

  5.   hadrian rašo:

    visos išvardintos iniciatyvos sveikintinos, tačiau lyginant su anarchisto (genialiu) pasiūlymu atrodo daugiau kaip informacijos cenzūra (viešiname tik dalį “tiesos”); tačiau svarbiausia, kokia (reali) nauda iš viešumo, jei arba nėra tinkamos įstatyminės bazės nubausti “prisidirbusiems” arba nėra kas tuo rimtai užsiimtų?

    tiesa ta, jog vogti (daugumai valdininkų) yra ypatingai gerą pelno / rizikos santykį turinti “investicija”; atitinkamai pakoregavus šį santykį tokių “investuotojų” skaičius sumažėtų pats savaime

  6.   WU rašo:

    Idėja ne jums pirmajam, bet pirmasis paskelbėt teisingumo ministerijos višųjų pirkimų duomenis 2008 metų. Tai yra sveikintina :) Svarbiausia kažkam pradėti daryti, o ne tik šneketi.
    Galiu pajuokauti, jeigu bus pradėtos skelbti valstybės tarnautojų funkcijos, gal jie susiorientuos ir pradės suprasti patys, kokios turi būti atliekamos jų funkijos :)
    Taip pat, pasigendu iniciatyvos skelbti valstybės tarnautojų (plačiąja, o ne VTĮ prasme) atlyginimu. Tegul žmonės žino kas kiek uždirba, ypač kai atlyginmas mokamas iš jų mokesčių pinigų. Pamatys, kad tie atlyginimai, ypač sumažinus bazinį koeficientą, nėra tokie dideli kaip pučia žiniasklaida. Tegul žinosi, kiek uždirba 9-12 kategorijos tarnautojas + su kvalifikacija ir priedai. Tokių gi daugiausia, o atlyginimai toli gražu nuo žiniasklaidos vaizduojamos “visas valstybės lėšas ėdančios biurokratų armijos”..

  7.   sizifas rašo:

    Dėl teisės pažeidimų valdžios institucijose viešumo tai reikia labai atsainiai apibrėžti kas viešai skelbtina, o kas ne. Juk dabar viešai skelbiamose privačių asmenų bylose neberašo asmenų pavardžių, tik inicialus, todėl ir čia būtų įdomu pamatyti kur yra nubrėžiama riba, kurie pažeidimai skelbtini, o kurie jau nebe.

  8.   sizifas rašo:

    Beje, neprošal būtų šiek tiek daugiau viešumo ir į įstatymų leidybos virtuvę - tiek projektų parengiamosiose stadijose (informacija apie darbo grupę, rengimo eigą, svarstymą įstatymų leidybos iniciatyvą turinčiuose subjektuose - vyriausybėje ypač), tiek apie užkulisines svarstymo stadijas - seimo komitetai. Apie pastarųjų posėdžius lakoniškai pateikiami spaudos pranešimai dažniausiai būna tik simboliniai, galbūt viešai turėtų būti publikuojami ir jų protokolai. Taip pat nebūna jokios informacijos apie komitetų klausymus. Na žinoma, čia tik mintys pasvarstymui, bet reikia nepamiršti, Ministre, kad ruošiate elgesio taisykles ne tik sau, bet ir tiems, kurie ateis po jūsų - tuo turiu omeny, kad reikia jas apsibrėžti itin disciplinuotas.

  9.   Urbokida rašo:

    Kodėl be nuorodų? Taip norėtųsi negaišti laiko atskirai visko ieškoti. Skaitai straipsnelį, o jame visos nuorodos. Skelbiu šitą, paskaitykit va čia :]
    Paskaitykit R.Hemingvėjaus “Senis ir jūrą”. Jai tarnautojas padarytų bent pusę tiek, kiek suorganizuoja berniukas senam žvejui…. pareigybių skelbti nebereikėtų :]

  10.   lurker rašo:

    Anarchiste, Hadrian pradėkit nuo savęs, paskelbkit prisijungimo prie savo kompų duomenis. Labai įdomu pažiūrėti kuo patys gyvenat, jeigu jau daugumą tarnautojų vagimis vadinat. Tikrai, kad “genialus” pasiūlymas visam pasauliui duot prieigą įstaigos intranetui, o po to išleist milijonus atstatinėjant serverius po įsilaužimų, vien todėl, kad anarchistui pasirodė kad labai svarbu žinoti, kada petras ar antanas išeis atostogų, važiuos į komandiruotę, pavaduos savo kolegą, pritrūks popieriaus ar pieštukų, gaus viršininko nurodymą atlikti vieną ar kitą darbą, atsakys į vienos ar kitos įstaigos paklausimą. Genijai, pirmiau pagalvokit, ko norit.

  11.   hadrian rašo:

    lurker — ar tu rimtai?

    viena, aš nepavadinau nieko vagimi; antra, aš nesiūliau leisti “visam pasauliui” valdyti valstybinius kompiuterius; kalba ėjo apie “tarnybinės” informacijos paviešinimą (suteikiant read-only teisę visiems svečiams); trečia, svarbiausia - aš nesu valstybinis tarnautojas, tad aš negyvenu iš mokesčių mokėtojų pinigų - todėl jūsų palyginimas neadekvatus

    kas dėl viso to svarbumo - jeigu aš moku (būdamas mokesčių mokėtoju) kažkam algą (valstybiniam tarnautojui), tai nematau nieko nepagrįsto nore žinoti už ką tokia alga mokama; kodėl - jau esu paaiškinęs;

    tamstos argumentai suprantami ir į juos reikėtų atsižvelgti pvz vietoj prieigos prie instraneto veikiau kopijuojant visą informaciją į viešai prieinamą tinklą ar pan.), tačiau jie daugiau liečia praktinį įgyvendinimą, o ne argumentuoja “viešumo ribų” diskusijoje

  12.   anarchistas rašo:

    Hadrian pavartotas ‘genialumo’ žodelis buvo gal per dosnus. Bet malonus.

    Tai nereiškia, kad pasiūlymas viešinti duomenis netinkamas. Galima tai daryti, ir nuo įsilaužimų saugotis rezerviniu kopijavimu.

    Lurkeri, administratorius, bent užsiminęs apie “milijonus atstatinėjant serverius po įsilaužimų” bet kurioje nevaldiškoje įstaigoje iškart, tą pačią akimirką, prarastų pasitikėjimą. Ar bent žinai, kas yra atsakomybė ar neparemtas bendru sugebėjimu vogti pasitikėjimas?

    Lurkeri, bet koks bet kokio dydžio privačios organizacijos adminas išjuoktų tave viešai, už pilvo susiėmęs, dėl tavo išpūstų kaštų.

    To kontekste, Lurkeri, nesijaučiu įpareigotas neaišku kokiam žmogui patenkinti smalsumą “Labai įdomu pažiūrėti kuo patys gyvenat”. Nes tai tiesiog ne tavo reikalas.

    Nors vardan viešosios diskusijos kokybės galiu ir atsakyti. Šiuo metu gyvenu iš savo kuklių ekspertinių sugebėjimų viešinimo internete, o vėliau ir pardavimo. Kalbėdamas viešai niekuomet nemeluoju. Savo pardavimų nedeklaruoju, bet jeigu kas klaus teisme - neigsiu.

    Jaučiu tam tikrą asmeninę pagarbą keliems šioje vyriausybėje dirbantiems žmonėms, ir tik todėl, kad nenoriu pasunkinti jų darbo, ką iš principo darytų kapitalo nutekėjimas, nereklamuoju internete Hongongo įmonių steigimo, Šveicarijos bankų ir Amerikos investicinių fondų paslaugų, o taip pat neeskaluoju lito devalvavimo pavojaus. Elgiuosi taip grynai etiniais sumetimais, visiškai abejingai žiūrėdamas į tų veiklų apginamumo/neapginamumo teisme riziką. Formaliai viskas čiki-piki, neformaliai - rizika visuomet egzistuoja.

    Įdomiausia, kad tų paslaugų, kurių aš nusprendžiau (kol kas, iš pagarbos kelių žmonių darbui) nereklamuoti, potencialiausi vartotojai būtų kaip tik vaikinai, sugebantys savo elementarius darbelius įvertinti milijonais mokesčių mokėtojų litų. Lurkeri, gal išties nesi superadministratorius, tik be reikalo pasisakei ir mane išprovokavai?

    O gal vis dėlto esi valdininkėlis su jau šiokiomis tokiomis, gal dabar jau nevisai sėkmingai investuotomis santaupomis?

    Geriausia, ką galėtum dabar padaryti, Lurkeri, būtų visų tavo teiginių ir iniciatyvų, vienos po kitos, išsižadėjimas:
    - ne tavo reikalas, iš ko gyvena anarchistas ir hardian),
    - anarchistui ir hadrian nėra iš tiesų asmeniškai į domu “kada petras ar antanas išeis atostogų, važiuos į komandiruotę, pavaduos savo kolegą, pritrūks popieriaus ar pieštukų, gaus viršininko nurodymą atlikti vieną ar kitą darbą, atsakys į vienos ar kitos įstaigos paklausimą.”
    - kažkaip netyčiom uždidinai, Lurkeri, duomenų atstatymo valdiškoje institucijoje kainą. Arba visai nesupranti, ką rašai, arba esi piktybinis vyrukas.

    Kas sakė, kad ginčytis su manim bus lengva?

  13.   Kiprietis rašo:

    To Ilona Luziene - bazinis projektu poveikio vertinimas yra atliekamas, matyt, ne is teisininku sluoksnio busite:)
    Kas susije su viesumu, manau, labai praverstu valstybes tarnautoju giminystes-svainystes-draugystes rysiu zemelapis. Ir ne tik valstybes tarnyboje, bet ir privaciose strukturose.O tai ateini i nauja darba zmogus ir nezinai, kur pakliusi arba kodel nepakliusi:)

  14.   Dainius Radzevičius rašo:

    Kiprieti, tokį genealoginį medį nupaišyti būtų sudėtinga :-) bet turėtų pasisekimą. net uždirbti būtų galima.

  15.   Ilona Lūžienė rašo:

    Kiprieti,
    tikrai nesu iš kokio nors sluoksnio :) Esu sau ir tiek. Turėjau galvoje, kad vertinimo medžiaga galėtų būti pateikiama kartu su teisės aktų projektais viešumai.
    O Jūsų mintis sumap’inti žmogiukus yra šauni ir ne tokia jau futuristinė. Jau yra gana sėkmingų mikro-bandymų susieti žmones įvariais ryšiais. Tai nedideliu laipsniu realizuojama socialiniuose tinkluose. Parengti kažkokį formalų projektą potencialius ryšių kūrėjus, manau, stabdo tik asmens duomenų apsauga. Juk ne visi asmenys yra vieši.

  16.   lurker rašo:

    Darosi įdomu.
    Hadrian, ar pastebėjai, kad su Anarchistu kalbat apie skirtingus dalykus. Publikuoti “tarnybinę” informaciją ir atidaryti prieigą prie personalo, raštvedybos, valdymo ir pn duomenų bazių nėra tas pats. Ir tai ne vien technikos klausimas. Pirmiausia, tai tinklo saugumo klausimas, antra, darbuotojų asmens duomenų saugumo klausimas ir trečia, jautrios informacijos, kuri nepatenka į valstybės paslapčių sąrašus, bet turi būti saugoma, saugumo klausimas. Beje, visą informaciją apie bet kurios institucijos teisės aktus (be saugumo žymos) galima gauti ir dabar. Net ir elektroniniu formatu. Jeigu “atidaryti” visą virtuvę, informacija vis tik teks filtruoti, teks investuoti į papildomus žmonių ir technikos resursus, o kokia iš tokio “viešumo” nauda? Kiekvienas tapsim auditoriais ir imsim nurodinėt kiek reikia komandiruočių, pieštukų ar popieriaus kažkuriam kažkurios ministerijos skyriui? Atsiprašau dėl hiperbolės, bet jau dabar koktu, kai žurnalistai “viešina” tualetinio popieriaus pirkimo faktus. Ar nepagalvojot, kad tai ne paskatintų, o paralyžuotų darbą.
    Maža pastabėlė dėl jūsų mokamų atlyginimų valdininkams. Visi valdininkai irgi moka mokesčius, tik, skirtingai nuo anarchisto, jie susimoka visus mokesčius. Todėl galima sakyti, kad jie jus, maitintojus, moko, gydo, moka jums pensijas, pašalpas ir pn. :)
    Anarchiste, internete saugumas tikrai kainuoja ne milijonus. Jis kainuoja milijardus. Ir tai neišspendžiama vien rezerviniu kopijavimu. Bet tai visai kitas klausimas. Prisipažinsiu atvirai: bent tris kartus perskaičiau tavo komentarą ir nesupratau ko iš manęs nori. Be šaipymosi ir puikavimosi savo verte taip ir neradau nė vieno argumento. Jei nori, kad “išsižadėčiau” savo ironijos, ką gi, prašau:
    -man visai neįdomu iš ko gyvena anarchistas………. ir t.t.

  17.   bang rašo:

    Dėl valstybės tarnautojų pareigybių aprašymų viešumo. Būtų neblogai, pats norėčiau sužinoti kas man nepriklauso dibrti :)

  18.   Giedrius rašo:

    lurker rašė:
    “Maža pastabėlė dėl jūsų mokamų atlyginimų valdininkams. Visi valdininkai irgi moka mokesčius, tik, skirtingai nuo anarchisto, jie susimoka visus mokesčius. Todėl galima sakyti, kad jie jus, maitintojus, moko, gydo, moka jums pensijas, pašalpas ir pn. :)”

    Tipiška biurokrato “logika” - pirmiausia valdininkai atima iš žmonių ~pusę jų uždirbtų pinigų tam, kad išsimokėtų sau algas už “paslaugas”, kurių niekas už tiek laisva valia nepirktų. Tada dalį išsimokėtų sau algų panaudoja tų žmonių, iš kurių pinigai pirmiausia ir buvo atimti, o taip pat ir savo pačių, gydymui bei mokymui (taip pat už tai sumokėdami tiek, kiek niekas laisva valia nemokėtų) ir už tokį “altruizmą” nori medalio.

  19.   Gediminas rašo:

    Iš tikrųjų visų viešųjų asmenų veiklos ir asmeninės informacijos viešinimas - absurdiška iniciatyva. Tačiau suprantu, kodėl jos taip atkakliai laikomasi. Išbujojusios biurokratijos galios niekais paverčia bet kurias antikorupcines iniciatyvas, kova su jomis yra visai beviltiška, todėl kabinamasi net ir už šiaudo.
    Pasvarstykime. Net ir absoliučiai visą infomaciją skelbiant, kas ja domėsis? Ar visi mes savo kasdieninius darbus ir studijuos paklodes su valdininkų armijos veiklos ataskaitomis? Ar turime moralinę teisę kapstytis po kitų, gal net ir aukštus postus užimančių, asmenų gyvenimą? Iš vis, ar gali save gerbiantis žmogus knebinėtis po svetimus apatinius baltinius?
    O galėtų būti kur kas paprasčiau. Sumažinus valdžios galimybes kištis į žmonių gyvenimą atitinkamai dingtų ir viešumo problema.

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