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Kova su korupcija: pakaks kalbų, daugiau darbų!

Kad Lietuvoje ne viskas gerai su korupcija (tiksliau su sąžine, skaidrumu, taisyklių laikymusi), gana akivaizdu. Tačiau nuo problemos konstatavimo Lietuvos žmonės, manau, jau pavargę. Žmonėms reikia kitko - sprendimų.

Korupcijos srityje šie sprendimai jau pribrendę. Seimui pavasario pradžioje Vyriausybė teiks ketverių metų kovos su korupcija programą, kuri pakeis galiojančią, manau, nelabai vykusią, programą. Išdėstysiu savo nuostatas, kaip manau reikėtų pakeisti dabartinėje programoje (ir visų institucijų praktikoje) atsispindinčias nuostatas.

Šiandieninės kovos su korupcija problemas ir, atitinkamai, sprendimus, matau kelis.

Pirma, kovojame su korupcija apskritai, tačiau neišryškiname tikrųjų labiausiai korupcijos pažeistų sričių.

Tačiau kovojant su korupcija apskritai ir rezultatai gaunami apskriti. Korupcijos žemėlapis, apklausos apie kyšių davimą ir kita informacija leidžia aiškiai identifikuoti korupcijos labiausiai pažeistas sritis.

Mano manymu gana vienareikšmiai galima teigti, kad šios didžiausios rizikos sritys yra: viešieji pirkimai, teisėkūra, verslo priežiūra, teismai ir kitos teisinės institucijos, sveikatos sistema, teritorijų planavimo bei statybų kontrolės sistema.

Būtent šiose srityse ir būtinos ne šiaip einamosios, o radikalios, sistemas pertvarkančios priemonės. Ypač norėčiau išskirti teisėkūros, įstatymų leidybos sritį. Su ja susiduria gal ir ne daugelis, tačiau jei jau Lietuvoje yra, kaip Prezidentė sako, oligarchinio užvaldymo grėsmė, tai ji galima tik per teisinius sprendimus. Šioje srityje turi padėti viešumas, ir čia pavyko labai pasistūmėti. Tačiau kaip užtikrinti, kad teisė būtų gerbiama, o įstatymai nebūtų pritaikomi prie atskirų grupinių interesų - uždavinys ir itin sudėtingas, ir itin aktualus, ir reikalaujantis itin daug susiklausymo.

Kiekvienai iš minėtų sričių turiu pasiūlymų, o kartais ir parengtų ar jau įgyvendintų projektų. Pasiūlymus kaip tik dabar susitikinėdamas aptarinėju su atitinkamais ministrais. Tačiau konkrečiau apie kiekvieną sritį - jau atskira kalba.

Antra, nėra keliami realistiniai, tačiau kartu ir ambicingi siekiai, ką ketinama pasiekti ir kaip tai numatoma išmatuoti.

Šiandieninis kovos su korupcija planas, kurio ataskaita kaip tik teikiama Seimui, orientuotas ne į rezultatą - mažesnę korupciją - o į priemones. Daugybę pliusų galima susidėti ties priimtais įstatymais ar įgyvendintomis programomis. Tačiau kas iš to? Ogi niekas. Mano supratimu, jeigu ir yra teigiamų pokyčių, tai daugiausiai dėl visiškai kitų priežasčių nei tie pliusai, kurie puikuosis kovos su korupcija programos ataskaitoje.

Keliu sau tikslą, kad naujoji programa atspindėtų ir naują požiūrį. Kiekvienoje iš mano įvardintų sričių turi būti aiški atsakomybė, aiški kryptis, ir aiškūs rezultato matavimo kriterijai. Pavyzdžiui, kiek sumažės žmonių, sakančių, kad davė kyšį gydytojui ar policininkui, kaip sumažės ir visiškai atitiks rinkos kainas viešieji pirkimai.

Kalbant apie atsakomybę - kova su korupcija turi būti ne atskirai izoliuota sritis. Kiekvienas ministras, atsakingas už atskirą korupcijai jautrią sritį, kartu su Seimu turi būtų atsakingas ir už korupcijos išgyvendinimą toje srityje. Kalbėdamiesi su atitinkamais ministrais (Aplinkos, Ūkio, Sveikatos) bandome surasti raktą į sėkmę kovojant su korupcija atitinkamai statybų, viešųjų pirkimų, sveikatos srityse.

Taip pat svarbu ir tai, kad nebūtų bijoma įgyvendinti kiekvienoje srityje pribrendusias priemones. Pavyzdžiui, gana aišku, kad jei sveikatos sistemoje nebus daugiau aiškumo už ką apmoka ligonių kasos, o už ką ne, jei nebus įteisintos priemokos tais atvejais, kai valstybė negali sumokėti už paslaugas realios kainos, tai ir kyšininkavimas nebus išgyvendintas.

Trečia, nėra pasinaudojama sėkminga kitų valstybių, o kai kuriais atvejais - ir mūsų pačių patirtimi.

Su korupcija kovojant taikoma tarsi viskas, kas tik įmanoma, tačiau iš tikrųjų sėkmingais pavyzdžiais nesekama.

Analizuojant užsienio valstybes akivaizdu, kad reguliavimo mažinimas akivaizdžiai duoda naudą. Štai šiuo keliu itin pažengusioje Gruzijoje net du trečdaliai žmonių sako, kad situacija su korupcija šalyje pagerėjo. Lietuvoje reguliavimo mažinimas, deja, kol kas net nelabai siejamas su korupcijos mažinimu.

Kitas pavyzdys, kaip sisteminė reforma praktiškai išsprendžia korupcijos problemą - tai bendrojo lavinimo valstybiniai egzaminai Lietuvoje. Dar prieš keliolika metų tai buvo nuolat dėl korupcijos linksniuojama sritis, o šiandien apie korupciją iš šios srities nėra nei žinių, nei gandų.

Ketvirta, pernelyg žavimasi represinėmis priemonėmis, o tikrųjų mechanizmų, kurie suasmenintų sprendimų priėmimą, vis dar nėra.

Iš tiesų būtina ir neišvengiama kai kuriais atvejais bausmėmis didinti korupcijos atgrasumą. Tai nemaža dalimi paskutiniu metu jau ir padaryta Teisingumo ministerijos, Prezidentės bei Seimo pagalba.

Tačiau asmeninė atsakomybė bus ne tada, kai egzistuos griežtos bausmės. Asmeninės atsakomybės principas bus įdiegtas, kai iš tiesų bus galima identifikuoti kas sprendė, ir ar sprendė objektyviai. Deja, kol formalius administracinius sprendimus, tarkime detalaus plano tvirtinimas, leidimų išdavimas, bus sprendžiami savivaldybės taryboje pagal politinius kriterijus, tol asmeninės atsakomybės nebus. Taryba ir kiti politikai turi tvirtinti taisykles, o sprendimus pagal šias taisykles turi priimti konkretūs tam įgalioti asmenys.

Penkta, kažkodėl dažnai daroma prielaida, kad duoti kyšius yra malonu duodančiajam, todėl akcentuojamos švietimo problemos moralizuojant.

Taip, tiesa yra ta, kad prie kyšininkavimo sistemos daugelis Lietuvoje įprato. Daugelis žmonių jaučiasi geriau, kai papildomai susimoka už „nemokamą” gydymą, todėl leidžiasi prievartaujami, daug kam patogu išsipirkti nuo kelių policijos.

Taigi, kyšiai veikia, tačiau tai nėra tokia sistema, kurią savo noru rinktųsi Lietuvos žmonės. Niekas, išskyrus kyšio ėmėjus, nenori, kad egzistuotų korupcija. Jei žmogus jausis tikras, kad ir nedavus kyšio jo teisės nebus sutryptos, jis mielai tuos pinigus pasiliks kalėdinėms dovanoms savo vaikams, o ne, tarkime, verslo prižiūrėtojams.

Sugrįšiu prie pradžios - ne mažiau nei daugelis Lietuvos žmonių pavargau nuo nuolatinės ir dažnai imitacinės kovos su korupcija. Norint, kad korupcija esmingai sumažėtų būtina ne nuolat su ja kovoti, o pagaliau pradėti tiesiog kryptingai dirbti ir priimti pribrendusius sprendimus tose srityse, kuriose korupcija pasireiškia skaudžiausiai.

Suprantu, ko taip rūpinasi Prezidentė, įvardindama korupcijos grėsmes Lietuvai. Tačiau įvardinti grėsmes neužtenka - reikia ryžtingų sprendimų, kuriuos ir siūlau priimti, kad drąsiai galėtume sakyti, jog Lietuva yra valstybė, kurioje viešpatauja laisvė ir teisė, o ne oligarchai, kvailumas ir korupcija.

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  1.   anarchistas rašo:

    Tačiau kaip užtikrinti, kad teisė būtų gerbiama, o įstatymai nebūtų pritaikomi prie atskirų grupinių interesų - uždavinys ir itin sudėtingas, ir itin aktualus, ir reikalaujantis itin daug susiklausymo.

    Itin paprastas sprendimas šiam “itin sudėtingam” uždaviniui - politikų atšaukiamumo įtvirtinimas įstatymu. Išdarinėja nesąmones, nevykdo pažadų - von iš valdžios.

    Efektyvus žingsniu čioje sunkioje kovoje galėtų būti skubus šios vyriausybės at(si)statydinimas ir/arba neeiliniai seimo rinkimai.

  2.   romualdas rašo:

    Idėja ir pastangos labai sveikintinos.Net tada,kai žmogus esi vienas prieš milijoną, geriau tikėtis sėkmės.Istorija žino atvejų,kai jos tėkmė buvo pakeista dėl kryptingai veikusių užsispyrusių idealistų.

  3.   Giedrė rašo:

    Įdomu būtų daugiau apie priemokų sveikatos sistemoje įteisinimą.

    Pvz., įmokos už mediko pagalbą gimdymo metu - gydytojo išsikvietimą susitarus, atskirą palatą - įteisintos 11 metų. Bet dalis (gal ir dauguma) medikų sako, kad ta oficiali įmoka yra tiesiog per maža už tokį darbą ir pinigai toliau aplenkia ligoninių kasas. Ką daryti?

  4.   romualdas rašo:

    p.Pranai,sovietmečiu visa tai jau veikė ištisus dešimtmečius.O šiuos žaidimus atspindėje fitiliai ir rusiškos komedijos pakankamai gerai iliustravo visą reikalo absurdiškumą.

  5.   ok rašo:

    Žmonės, pirkdami duonos, pardavėjai, už malonų aptarnavimą ar pralediimą be eilės ir pan., nė grašio neduoda, kadangi tenka atverti savo pinigines ir susimokėti kainą, kuri nurodyta. Tuo tarpu atėjęs pas gydytoją, už tai, kad jis suteikia paslaugą, už kurią jis, kaip ir pardavėjas, gauna atlyginimą, ir malonų aptarnavimą jam dar ir į kišenę pinigėlį įdeda.
    Taip yra todėl, kad žmogus raliai nejaučia piniginės tuštėjimo ir veikia parduotuvės refleksas - gavai prekę (paslaugą) - susimokėk.
    Vat kai tektų oficialiai padaryti įmokas už vizitus pas gydytojus, nemaža dalis jau nebenorėtų du kartus mokėti už tą patį.
    Be kita ko, įdomu būtų pamatyti, kaip neapdraustieji sveikatos draudimu, keitė savo požiūrį į papildomą mokėjimą gydytojui, kai iš savo kišenės tenka mokėti sveikatos draudimo įmokas.

    O keliuose reikėtų mažinti žmogiškuosius patruliuojančiųjų resursus, keičiant technologijomis. Lai geriau jie nusikaltimus aiškinasi, jų prevencija užsiima, o tai dabar didžiasios pajėgos naudojamos smulkių pažeidimų fiksavimui (ar švieos įjungtos, ar su diržais važiuoja, ar nekalba mobiliu, ar vietoje gatvę perėjo ir t.t.t.), už kuriuos nuobaudos po kelis šimtus, kai tokio pažeidimo užfiksavimui ir t..t išleidžiami dešimteriopai ir šimtus kartų daugiau.

    Be to, ar reikalingas būtinai policininkas, kad nubausti asmenį, neprisisegusi diržo, neįsijungusi šviesų. Retorinis klausimas - gal kad prisisegtų diržą reikia bananu paauklėt, ar antrankiais prisegti, o gal dujos padės? lai tokiai pažeidimais užsiima kas kitas, nereikės ir papildomų soc garantijų ir į pensiją leisti anksčiau

  6.   Kawianskas rašo:

    Visa tai ką Jūs čia darote yra tik žaidimai ir kosmetinis remontas.
    Sveikatos apsaugos srityje galimas tik vienas sprendimas - suskaičiuoti kiek viskas kainuoja ir nustatyti paslaugų, operacijų, procedūrų ir t.t. įkainius. Tikrus įkainius. O paskui jau valstybinis ar kitoks draudimas gali dalį kompensuoti priklausomai nuo biudžeto būklės, amžiaus, įmokų ir panašiai.
    Svarbiausia yra garsiai pasakyti, kad nėra nemokamų dalykų. Tik ar užteks kiaušių.

  7.   hadrian rašo:

    Sena išmintis byloja, kad žuvis pūna nuo galvos.

    Jei korupcija būtų sustabdyta aukščiausiame lygyje, tai pradėtų grandininę reakciją (nebekorumpuoti bosai pradėtų rūpintis savo pavaldinių korumpuotumu). Didelės žuvys turi daugiau ką prarasti - todėl kelių viešų aukščiausio rango pareigūnų ar politikų korupcijos demaskavimo pavyzdžių pakaktų bent jau absoliučiam suįžūlėjimui sustabdyti. Kol skirtingi įstatymai galios paprastiems mirtingiesimes bei pusdieviams, visos kalbos yra ir liks tik smegenų pudrinimu (vien vaidinimu, jog stengiamės kažką daryti).

    Arba tokias elementarias tiesas valdžios žmonėms per sunku sunku suprasti, ar tiesiog korumpuotų (ir todėl nesuinteresuotų kažką keisti) valdininkų koncentracija [vis dar] mirtinai didelė.

  8.   Kenis rašo:

    Pritariu išdėstytoms mintims. Korupcija yra problema kaip ir bet kuri kita problema, todėl jai turėtų būti taikomos tos pačios problemų sprendimo taisyklės kaip ir bet kuriai kitai problemai:
    1. Nustatyti aiškius ir išmatuojamus tikslus (pvz. per metus pakilti tokiam ir tokiam reitinge iš tokios į tokią vietą ar pan.);
    2. Paskirti vieną, konkretų fizinį asmenį šiems tikslams pasiekti. Nustatyti jam aiškią, suprantamą ir paprastą skatinimo ir sankcijų sistemą už pasiektus arba nepasiektus tikslus (t.y. jokių premijų ar ordinų „už pastangas“ iki kol nebus reikalingų skaičiukų).
    3. Paskirtam asmeniui suteikti atitinkamus įgaliojimus ir lėšas tikslams pasiekti.
    Priemonių nustatymas turėtų būti tik ketvirtas etapas, kurio įgyvendinimu užsiimtų paskirtas asmuo. Kadangi dabar yra tik ketvirtas etapas be pirmų trijų tai visiškai normalu, kad ir rezultato jokio nebus, nes tiesiog už problemos sprendimą niekas neatsakingas arba atsakingų bus tiek daug, kad tai neturės jokios įtakos rezultatui, o kada problema bus išspręsta taip niekas niekada ir nesužinos, nes kiekvienas jos išsprendimą įsivaizduos kitaip.

  9.   Antstolis rašo:

    VYKDOMŲJŲ DOKUMENTŲ TEIKIMAS ANTSTOLIAMS – DIRVA KORUPCIJAI

    Dabartinė vykdomųjų dokumentų teikimo antstoliams tvarka (teisingiau jos nebuvimas) sudaro valdininkams galimybes ne tik piknaudžiauti savo tarnybine padėtimi, bet ir palankią dirvą korupcijai, atskirų antstolių protekcionizmui ar privilegijų teikimui.

    Pirmą kartą apie šią problemą buvo viešai prabilta 2010 metų vasari, kai Seimo antikorupcijos komisijai buvo perduotas antstolio K.Košio skundas dėl Tauragės policijos vadovo Remigijaus Rudmino veiksmų neskaidriai skirtant vykdomuosius dokumentus. Aną kartą buvo vertinami tik šio valstybės tarnautojo veiksmai, tačiau neskaidrus vykdomųjų dokumentų dėl lėšų išieškojimo valstybės naudai teikimas vyksta beveik visos valstybės mastu ir niekas net nesiėmė spręsti šios problemos.

    Atskirais atvejais valdininkai, vadovaudamiesi neaiškiais motyvais, priima nieko nepagrįstus sprendimus ir vykdomuosius dokumentus dėl išieškojimo valstybės naudai pateikia tik „jų manymų vertiems“ antstoliams arba skirdami jiems vykdomuosius dokumentus dėl didesnių sumų išieškojimo (tokiu atvėju antstolio atlygis būtų didesnis), nei kitiems. Tokiu protekcionizmu sudaromos sąlygos atskirų antstolių per dideliam įsigalėjimui atskirose jų veiklos teritorijose, atsiranda pagrindas įtarti ar tokie valdininkai nepiknaudžiauja savo valdžia ir ar už tokį „palankumą“ jiems nėra atlyginama.

    Teisingumo ministerija turi visas galimybes užkirsti kelią akivaizdžiam korupcijos šaltiniui ir nekliudamai nustatyti neskaidraus vykdomųjų dokumentų dėl lėšų išieškojimo valstybės naudai teikimo mastą, išaiškinti proteguotojus ir užkirsti kelią korupcijai. Pakaktų užklausti vykdomuosius dokumentus teikiančias įstaigas kiek, kokiam antstoliui ir dėl kokių sumų buvo pateikta vykdomųjų dokumentų ir visas „purvas“ būtų kaip ant delno (ypač, kai kuriems antstoliams iš viso neteikiami vykdomieji dokumentai).

    Kol nėra vykdomųjų dokumentų dėl išieškojimo valstybės naudai teikimo antstoliams tvaros, korumpuoti valdininkai ir toliau turi “papildomų neapmokestinamų pajamų”. Kitaip paaiškinti jų išskirtinį nuolankumą atkiriems antstoliams vargu ar būtų galima.

    Manau, kad atsižvelgiant į antstolių veiklos ribojimus (veiklos teritorijos ribojimas, antstolių kiekio ribojimas, vykdymo išlaidų dydžių ribojimas, reklamos draudimas, draudimas dirbti kitą darbą) neskaidraus vykdomųjų dokumentų teikimo toleravimas sudaro:
    • galimybes atskiriems antstoliams su valdininkais (valstybės tarnautojais) sudaryti konkurenciją pažeidžiančius susitarimus dėl išskirtinių vykdomųjų dokumentų teikimo jiems sąlygų, taip sąmoningai žlugdant konkurentus;
    • prielaidas valdininkams (valstybės tarnautojams) piknaudžiauti savo tarnybine padėtimi ir sąlygas imti kyšius;
    • prielaidas valdininkams (valstybės tarnautojams) daryti antstoliams spaudimą manipuliojant teise laisvai pasirinkti jiems palankius sprendimus priimančius antstolius;
    • prielaidas valdininkams (valstybės tarnautojams) rinktis antstolius ne pagal aiškius kriterijus ar darbo kokybę, o tik savo nuožiura, sudarant sąlygas siekti asmeninės naudos, o ne skatinti greitą ir efektyvų vykdymo procesą.

    Teisingumo ministerijai yra pateikta teisėkūros iniciatyva dėl vykdomųjų dokumentų teikimo antstoliams tvarkos http://www.tm.lt/teisini/viena s/119 .

  10.   Medikas rašo:

    Pilnai pritariu gerb. R. Šimašiui visais jo pasisakomais klausimais. Tai mano manymu pats protingiausias ir sąžiningiausias šios vyriausybės ministras. Todėl norėčiau jam, kaip vadovaujančiam teisėtvarkai ministrui, pasiūlyti, kad jis inicijuotų vyriausybėje ar seime įstatymą, jog ligoninių direktoriai turi būti renkami konkurso tvarka 4 metų kadencijai. Tai labai ryškiai padidintų ligoninių veiklos efektyvumą ir sumažintų korupciją ligoninių direktorių lygyje. Kur tai matyta, kad prezidentą renkame kas 5 metai, seimą kas 4 metai, o ligoninių direktoriai karaliauja ligoninėse kaip savo kunigaikštystėse iki gyvos galvos? Ši aplinkybė labai palaiko korupciją medicinoje. Direktoriai susistato sau parankius gydytojus į vadovaujančius postus, skyrių vedėjus (kaip taisyklė, tikrai ne pačius geriausius, o subinlaižius), kas sukelia baisią stagnaciją tiek medicinos paslaugų kokybės progresavime, tiek ir medicinos mokslo vystymęsi, tiek ir būsimų gydytojų ruošime (medicinos studijose). Tai tikrai nenormalus reiškinys, kurį reikia kuo greičiau likviduoti. Visi postai medicinoje ir ligoninėse turi būti su kadencijomis ir skaidriais rinkimais į juos, pradedant nuo ligoninių direktorių ir baigiant skyrių vedėjais. Kol nebus įgyvendinta ši nuostata (beje, kurios įgyvendinimas nieko nekainuoja ir ją galima tuoj pat įgyvendinti), tol visos kalbos apie kovą su korupcija medicinoje yra tik blefas. Nes ši aplinkybė yra viena iš pagrindinių, palaikančių medicinoje ir baisią stagnaciją ir korupciją.

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  12.   Mauras rašo:

    hadrian visiškai teisus. Ministro pasiryžimas kovoti su buitine gydytojo ir policininko korupcija neturi jokių šansų, jei valdantysis elitas nepradės sau kelt aukštesnių reikalavimų ir neparodys pavyzdžio.

    Kol kas kaip rusai sako, “kormiat zavtrakami” t.y. esame šeriami “rytojais”. Nevykdomo šio blogo autoriaus pažado “pažiūrėti rytoj” pavyzdys - čia. Beje, niekas neprašė pakeisti AB įstatymo - tik pasakyti savo nuomonę.

    Klausimas nesvarbus? Problemos nėra? Vargu. Žr. laišką redakcijai šios dienos “Verslo žiniose”. Motyvai, kodėl iki šiol nėra fiksuojamas UAB akcijų perleidimas, aiškūs ne tik man vienam.

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