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Burės - spąstai savanorystei

Vyrausybė pritarė savanoriškos veiklos įstatymo projektui. Pritarėm be kita ko ir skubėdami, nes ant nosies Europos krepšinio čempionatas, kuriame dirbs tūkstančiai savanorių.

Iš karto noriu pasakyti, kad labai džiugu, kad šiai temai skiriamas tinkamas dėmesys, kad sprendžiami savanorių ir nevyriausybinių organizacijų reikalai. Savanorystė tikrai aktuali tema. Savanorystei turi būti atviros visos durys.  Šiandien to nėra, nes  savanoriai patiria teisinį netikrumą, jiems negalima kompensuoti patirtų išlaidų.

Tačiau negaliu nutylėti keleto problemų, kurios lydi įstatymo projektą. Problema ta, kad Savanoriškos veiklos įstatymas problemai spręsti buvo nebūtinas. Užtenka pataisyti GPM įstatymą ir numatyti jame išlaidų kompensavimą savanoriams, duoti nuorodą į tokio išlaidų kompensavimo tvarką, tvirtinamą, tarkime SADM ir/ar FM, ir viskas išsispręstų.

Dabar gi turėsime didelį formalų pliusą (atskirą įstatymą), tačiau jis pats gali sukelti naujų problemų.

Pavyzdžiui, pagal projektą numatyta, kad savanoriams, jaunesniems kai 16 metų sutikimą savanoriauti turi duoti vienas iš tėvų ar globėjų. Faktiškai tai reiškia, kad tokio sutikimo nesant (dėl objektyvių ar subjektyvių priežasčių) penkiolikmetis negalės dalyvauti akcijoje „Darom” ar su mokykla įsijungti į kokią kitą socialinę akciją.

Projektas asmenims iki 14 metų apskritai draudžia būti savanoriais. Ups… Tai kaip tada su tais jaunučiais krepšininkais, kuriems gal tik 13, bet jie tiesiog trokšta padavinėti krepšinio kamuolius per Europos krepšinio čempionatą. Jau net nekalbu apie dešimtmetį, kuris vargu ar pagal įstatymo raidę galės kaimynei senutei padėti nuravėti daržą ar kitaip socialiai pagelbėti.

Ne mažiau aktuali problema yra susijusi su tuo, kad savanoriškas akcijas rengiantys subjektai turi užtikrinti saugią darbo aplinką (žodis „darbas” vis praslysta įstatymo projekte…). Tos pačios akcijos „Darom atveju” - jei susižeisiu ranką ar koją betraukdamas padangas iš griovių kur nors Šilalės rajoje- ar tai reiškia, kad Vilniuje akciją organizavę asmenys turės atsakyti už tai?.. Jei taip, tai savanorių bus ne ieškoma, o kratomasi jų, išskyrus atskirus atvejus, kai organizacija yra išskirtinai pajėgi finansiškai ir išskirtinai stipri organizaciškai.

Praktikoje daugelis problemų bus išspręsta įstatymo ignoravimo būdu. Bet ar tai kelias į teisinę valstybę? Kaip su teisiniu tikrumu? Ar nebus kada kokios parodomosios nubaudimo akcijos? Gal mums verta atsisakyti sovietinės teisės palikimo, kad viskas turi būti detaliai sureglamentuota?

Manyčiau, kad verta priimti liberalią teisės turinio sampratą, kuri realiai žmonėms atveria plačias galimybes, o ne nurodinėja pro kokius vartelius reikia eiti, kad pasiektum gerų tikslų.

Vyriausybės pasitarime buvo sutarta, kad Socialinės apsaugos ir darbo ministerija, inicijuojanti projektą, šiuos aspektus dar įvertins svarstant projektą Seime ir į juos atsižvelgs, kad įstatymas nesukeltų absurdiškų pasekmių.

Tačiau klausimas kiek reikia įstatymo, kad būtų išspręstos realios problemos, bijau, taip ir lieka neatsakytas. Tiksliai neįvardinta kokios šiandien kyla problemos, kam jos kyla, kaip mes žinosime, kad problemos nebėra, kokie keliai pasiekti, kad problemos išnyktų, kodėl pasirinktas būtent šis kelias.

Tačiau bet kokiu atveju - kviečiu nebijoti savanoriauti, nes savanorystė kyla ne iš įstatymo, o iš noro padėti artimui.

P.S. Beje, kai kitą kartą Vyriausybė bus kritikuojama dėl įstatymų kokybės, labai norėčiau, kad šios strėlės nebūtų nukreiptos į Teisingumo ministeriją, kuri minėtas pastabas buvo išsakiusi.

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  1.   Aš rašo:

    Nezinau, kaip su situ istatymo projektu, kadangi jo neskaiciau, bet man asmeniskai ir dabartinis dideliu problemu nekele. Bet pasakius A deretu pasakyti ir B, nes savanoryste neatsiejama nuo NVO, tad reiketu paskatinti gera iniciatyva ir palengvinti NVO steigimosi salygas, ilgai netempiant gumos!

  2.   Aš rašo:

    p. R. Simasiau teisinis klausimas, as vis bandau irodyti registru centrui, jog steigiant internetu, laikinaji pavadinima rekomenduojama o neprivaloma (kaip jie teigia) itraukti laikinaji registra? Bent jau taip parasyta istatymo projekte. Ir nematau jokiu argumentuotu priezasciu kodel turetu buti kitaip. Ir dabar galioja tokia tvarka su paprastu registravimu, kai itraukti pavadinima i laikina registra nebutina!
    Tikiuosi aiskiai ísdesciau minti.

  3.   Aš rašo:

    Lietuvos Respublikos ukio ministro 2009 m. spalio 19 d. isakymo Nr. 4-525 ‘Del pavyzdiniu individualios imones nuostatu ir pavyzdiniu individualios imones nuostatu pildymo rekomendaciju patvirtinimo’ pakeitimo:
    teigiama, cituoju:
    ‘Todel, taip pat siekiant apsaugoti steigiamos Imones pavadinima iki jos iregistravimo, rekomenduojama pavadinima laikinai itraukti i Juridiniu asmenu registra’

    ‘rekomenduojama’ reiskia neprivaloma, taip parasyta?!

  4.   Andrius rašo:

    Ministre,
    man labai keista, jog paskelbus 2011 m. savanorystes metais, dar nera nei savanoryste reglamentuojancio istatymo ar palengvintu salygu steigiant nevyriausybine organizacija. Kaip Jus pats tai paaiskintumete? Gal per mazai vyriausybe skiria tam demesio? Metai jau beveik ipusejo o kazkuo labai pozityviu, pasigirti negalime!

  5.   Remigijus Šimašius rašo:

    Sveiki,

    gerai, kad mane klausimais užaytakavot :)

    Aš atsakysiu vėliau (beje, gal pakeistumėte slapyvardį, ens labai keistai tokiu kreiptis…).

    Dėl NVO steigimo - sakiau, akd bus lengvesnis steigimas šią vasarą. Bus. Dėl tikslių datų pasakysiu irgi. Dmagu, kad toks nekantrus esat (aš irgi). Tikrai pasidalinsiu naujienomis, o jų gerų bus. Beje, kviečiu neužmiršti, kad tam, akd kakas gero įvyktų, reikai ne tik panorėti, net tik ministrui tai išsikelti į savo planus, bet kad ir daugybė žmonių realiai prie to nemažai padirbėtų. Ta proga noriu pasakyti, akd esu labai dėkingas tiems žmonėms, kurie tai ir daro.

  6.   dzyvai rašo:

    Tikiuosi, per krepšinio čempionatą, kuriam kepamas šis įstatymas, nebus paniekintas žodis “savanorystė”, kaip tai įvyko kitose šalyse (”savanoriai” prekiavo maistu, gėrimais ir t.t. - uždirbinėjo pelną kitiems). Aišku, idealiu atveju verslininkai turėtų būti socialiai atsakingi, ir tuo nepiktnaudžiauti. Visgi, manau, reiktų papildomo švietimo, inicijuoto iš vyriausybės pusės, kad žmonės nepasimauto ant gražiai įpakuoto kabliuko.

  7.   Pilietis (Aš) rašo:

    Laba diena,

    nuostata, kad pavadinimo nera butina laikinai itraukti i Juridiniu asmenu registra, kiek man zinoma galioja jau seniai. Ministro pasirasytas isakymas ir jo nuostatos skirtos skirtos Juridini asmeni steigiant internetu, vadinasi ir anksciau pamineta rekomendacija pavadinimo atzvilgiu, taip pat.
    Klausimas, kodel laikino pavadinimo itraukimas i registra, traktuojama, kaip privalomas, jeigu tam nera teisinio pagrindo ir butinybes?

  8.   Pilietis (Aš) rašo:

    Beje ministre, del NVO palengvinto steigimo as i krutine musuosi, jau dvejus metus. Nuo pat pradzios, kai imta tai zadeti. Ir zinot tai pradeda varginti. Kiek dar Jums laiko reikia? Zinote, laukiu nesulaukiu, kada tai ivyks, nes daviau sau zodi, kad tada mesiu visus reikalus suristus su ‘ka veikia valdzia’ ir atsidesiu vien nevyriausybinei veiklai, bet tam reikia tinkamo teisinio pagrindo. Ir kalbu nevien apie save.

  9.   Pilietis (Aš) rašo:

    Ir data mane net labai domintu, kadangi buvo kalbeta, kad iki vasaros antras JAREP projekto etapas bus pabaigtas, veliau pradejo sakyti, jog vasara. Gi dabar teigiama, jog liepa, ir tai mane neramina, nes kaip zinote liepa atostogu metas ir pazadai gali buti atideti neapibreztam laikui.
    Labai nesinoretu, tokio scenarijaus!

  10.   Gediminas rašo:

    Remigijus iš principo teisus, nes tokio įstatymo nereikia. Labai jau įdomiai skamba - savanorystė pagal įstatymą. Gal norima visai savanorystę išguiti? Pav., reikalaujant patentų, licenzijų, apmokestinus.

  11.   Andrius rašo:

    Nesutinku su Gediminu, geras istatymas ar blogas cia kita kalba, bet kazkokios raides, kuri apibreztu savanoryste reikejo. Tik toks ar panasus istatymas, kaip ir palengvintas NVO steigimas turejo isigalioti nuo tos dienos, kai buvo paskelbti 2011 - savanorystes metai! Valdzia vis priekaistauja, kad lietuviai menkai dalyvauja nevyriausybinej savanoriskoj veikloj, bet pati ideda mazai pastangu, kad palengvinti tokia veikla! Kodel delsiama, nezinau!

  12.   Gediminas rašo:

    Ne, jokio įstatymo čia nereikia! Lietuvoje ir taip jau klesti legalizmas pačia blogiausia to apibūdinimo prasme. Argi jau jokia veikla negali būti be įstatymo? Savanorystei užtenka elementarių jau egzistuojančios moralės normų, o kenkėjiška veikla pakankamai baudžiama kitais įstatymais. Be to, labai naivu manyti, kad absoliučiai viską galima sutvarkyti įstatymais.

  13.   dundukas rašo:

    kazkas bus vasara.. o kas dabar ne vasara :) kazkam verkiant reikia kalendoriaus.. turiu su ..tvarka ir teisingumu nuo praeitu savivaldos rinkimu uzsiliko.. ;)

  14.   dundukas rašo:

    juk nemesi tvarkos ir teisingumo i siuksliadeze, visom sio zodzio prasmem.. ;)

  15.   Gediminas rašo:

    Būtų labai puiku, kad Remigijus pakomentuotų tas numatomas BK pataisas dėl „neteisėto praturtėjimo“. Palaičio ministerija juodai „pjauna grybą“, tai gal Teisingumo ministerija galėtų padėti sustabdyti šį sovietinio „teisingumo“ recidyvo absurdo spektaklį?

  16.   Pilietis (Aš) rašo:

    Tai visgi, kaip del pavadinimo, gal pavestumete savo kokiam padejejui, atsakingam uz sia sriti sutvarkyti si reikala?!
    Ministro pasirasytas isakymas yra, dabar belieka TM paraginti Registru centra vygdyti, tai kas ten juodu ant balto parasyta.

  17.   dundukas rašo:

    man atrodo, kad tas ministro …atsakysiu veliau, tera mandagus ..atsiknisk ;) susidare toks vaizdas :)

  18.   dundukas rašo:

    tai taip konservatoriska ;)

  19.   Remigijus Šimašius rašo:

    Gerbiamas Pilieti,

    pridedu TM specialistų surašytą informaciją apie pavadinimų rezervavimą. Atsakymas skamba gana formaliai, bet esmė jo ta, kad pavadinimo rezervavimas atsirado kaip galimybė išvengti nesusipratimų, o ne naujas apribojimas. Kadangi registruojant e-būdu viskas labiau automatizuota, tai ir yra numatyta privalomas pavadinimo rezervavimas.

    Remigijus

    Tais atvejais, kai Juridinis asmuo yra registruojamas elektroniniu būdu, visuomet būtina prieš tai laikinai įtraukti juridinio asmens pavadinimą į Juridinių asmenų registrą. Tai būtina siekiant užtikrinti įmonės registravimo nuoseklumą, kad pirmiau būtų išsiaiškinama ar toks įmonės pavadinimas nesidubliuoja su jau įsteigtomis kitomis įmonėmis, ar atitinka kalbos taisyklių reikalavimus. Jei su pavadinimu viskas gerai, tuomet jau galima pereiti prie kitų registravimo etapų. Priešingu atveju atsirastų nemažai painiavos, o paaiškėjus, kad pavadinimo dėl kokių nors priežasčių nebegalima pasirinkti, tektų visus registravimo žingsnius (įskaitant kreipimąsi pas notarą ir kt.) pakartoti iš naujo.

    Tais atvejais, kuomet įmonė registruojama ne internetu, laikinai pavadinimą įtraukti į Juridinių asmenų registrą reikalavimo nėra, tačiau dėl tų pačių priežasčių tai rekomenduojama padaryti patogumo dėlei.
    Statistika rodo, kad nuo 2010 m., kuomet buvo sudaryta galimybė laikinai į Juridinių asmenų registrą įtraukti pavadinimą, viso pavadinimų iki 2011 m. birželio 1 d. įtraukta 1326 (2010 m. – 376, per 2011 m. 5 mėn. – 950).

    Teisinis pagrindas šiai tvarkai yra ministro pavirtinta Juridinių asmenų elektroninės paslaugos specifikacija. Šis reikalavimas artimiausiu metu bus patvirtintas ir šiuo metu baigiamuose rengti Juridinių asmenų registro registravimo taisyklėse.

  20.   Pilietis (Aš) rašo:

    gerbiamas Remigijau,
    formaliai gal jus ir teisus, bet del patogumo dristu nesutikti. Nesinaudoju sia paslauga, dar nuo tu laiku, kai RC darbuotojai reikdavo pasakyti pavadinima, kad ji ‘pramustu’ per duomenu bazes.
    Siandien dar paprasciau, gali patikrinti per nemokama savitarna, ar toks jau egzistuoja. Taip, jus visiskai teisus, sistema automatizuota ir paprastai neturi leisti pereiti prie kito registravimo etapo, ivedus egzistuojanti pavadinima.

  21.   Pilietis (Aš) rašo:

    Dabar, kad nesakytumete, jog nieko nesiulome..
    Vienas is galimu sprendimu (beje tai is dalies taiko visi bankai) turi buti galimybe RC darbuotojui patikrinti uzpildyta forma ir jeigu pavadinimas netinkamas, formos nepatvirtinti (prirasant, kas turi buti pataisyta) Jeigu viskas tvarkinga, atsiranda prierasas ‘patvirtinta’. (per 24val)
    Taip, pakoregavus e registravimo nuostatus, padarysite sistema efektyvesne, vartotojo atzvilgiu, sios nekeiciant!

  22.   Pilietis (Aš) rašo:

    beje tokia tvarka taiko ir epaslaugos.lt gyvenamosios vietos registravimas, kai gali pasiziureti savo prasymo bukle, ir priezastis del kurios prasymas buvo atmestas. (jeigu taip atsitiktu)
    Kodel to taikyti negaletu ir RC?
    Tikiuosi aiskiai isdesciau..

  23.   Andrius rašo:

    Del to laikino pavadinimo, tai jeigu remtis pavyzdziais, tai toli ieskoti nereikia. Kad ir pvz. su internetiniais vardais, kur daug svarbiau uz imones pavadinima ir kur butina akcentuoti prekini zenkla, kad pasiektum vartotoja. Tai kazkodel http://www.domrega.lt puikiausiai su tuo tvarkosi: ivedi pavadinima ir matai arba jis uzregistruotas arba ne. Nematau priezasciu, kodel Reg. cent. negaletu taikyti tokios sistemos? Kodel butina viska taip apsunkinti.

  24.   Andrius rašo:

    atsiprasau turi buti http://www.domreg.lt oficialus internetiniu vardu su .lt galune administratorius.
    Mano nuomone Reg. centrui tai turetu buti sektinas pavyzdys, kaip registruoti pavadinima ir neisradineti dviracio!

  25.   Free Music Websites rašo:

    Duh, I know already about all the best free music websites. Thanks for the post though

  26.   dundukas rašo:

    va tai tau.. eme ir atsake.. ministre as apie jus buvau blogesnes nuomones ;)
    kad tave kur teisingumas… :)

  27.   Pilietis (Aš) rašo:

    Palyginimui viesosios istaigos steigimo kainodara:

    paprastu budu 200lt (notaro mokestis) + 107lt (RC mokestis) + 0lt (laikinas pavadinimas nebutinas)

    e-budu 100/150lt (sertifikato kaina) + 107lt (RC mokestis) + 56lt (laikino pavadinimo mokestis)

    Kaip matote, bendra suma ir vienu ir kitu atveju labai nesiskiria. Tad, kurioje vietoje cia sutaupoma?
    p.s. paskaiciuota, kai steigejas vienas. Kai steigeju 2 ir daugiau reikalingi atskiri sertifikatai

  28.   Remigijus Šimašius rašo:

    Pilieti, Andriau,

    ačiū už pasiūlymus. Būtinai pasižiūrėsim detaliai kiek jie realizuotini.

    O dėl kainų palyginimo - na, sutikime, sertifikato kaina (kuri, kiek pamenu, yra mažesnė, beje) įskaičiuotina su labai labai dideliu kalustuku, nes elektroninis parašas pravers ir kitur, bet to, gal žmogus jau turi vienokį ar kitokį elektroninį parašą.

    O šiaip tai tikrai ačiū už keliamus klausimus.

    Remigijus

  29.   Pilietis (Aš) rašo:

    Beje netaip seniai Liberalu sajudis, pats galejo isitikinti esamos tvarkos netobulumu. Kai tuomet dar tik atskile nuo Liberalcentristu bande isteigti savo partija. Tuomet, buve kolegos visa kaip bande tam sutrugdyti, netgi itrauke i laikina registra 9 galimus, busimos partijos pavadinimus.
    Tokiu, galimai nesaziningu veiksmu, pasitaikytu maziau, jeigu pavadinima butu galima iregistruoti steigimo proceso metu o ne 6 men. pries steigima.

  30.   Pilietis (Aš) rašo:

    Sie veiksmai vyko uz TM vairo esant G. Bužinskui.
    Siandien TM vadovaujate jus ir visi svertai jusu rankose!

  31.   Andrius rašo:

    Idomiai cia su tuo kainu palyginimu! Tik man idomu ar itraukiant pavadinima ir registruojant internetu, reikia pavedimus daryt atskirai ar galima daryt, kaip uz bendra. Nes jeigu atskirai tai dar 10 lituku pripliusuokit, bankui. Swedbank ima 5litus uz pervedima.
    O ta istorija su liberalais jau buvau pamirses, kaip pirstu i aki sakyciau!

  32.   dundukas rašo:

    ministre, jei taip ir toliau eis.. tai tuoj teisingumo ministerijoj reikes atskiro etato atsakingo uz Simasiaus bloga ;) kaip tai padare Zuokas sukures savivaldybeje etata atsakingo uz mero facebooka.. :)
    va tas tai dirba ant viesuju rysiu.. ir visus liberalus ant reitingu apdeda ;)

  33.   dundukas rašo:

    o gal jau toks etatas yra? :) o mes nieko net neitariam.. ;)

  34.   tiems kam rupi rašo:

    O juk viskas jau yra, tik reikia pradeti naudoti:
    http://www.registrucentras.lt/jar/p/pav.php
    (nemokamai)

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